tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post15592446648583536..comments2023-05-20T03:50:57.662-05:00Comments on All Things Red Wings...: THN: Article on Red Wings Front OfficeWingsFanMiahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14779299036964062079noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-4338960118071176332007-06-06T10:03:00.000-05:002007-06-06T10:03:00.000-05:00Yeah, ideally, I would like to see them both here ...Yeah, ideally, I would like to see them both here too. BTW, I miss Sergei. Wish he would have been a career Wing. <BR/><BR/>It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Jimmy D retires.WingsFanMiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779299036964062079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-81578980895461513152007-06-06T06:23:00.000-05:002007-06-06T06:23:00.000-05:00BTW I don't think Yzerman should be GM of the Wing...BTW I don't think Yzerman should be GM of the Wings. I think he should stick to being a VP. I wouldn't want what happend with Bobby Clarke to happen with Yzerman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-57533172241044807192007-06-06T06:12:00.000-05:002007-06-06T06:12:00.000-05:00I think your giving Holland too much credit. He ...I think your giving Holland too much credit. He really only built 1 of the cup teams. When he became GM in 98 the cup team was already in place. Holland has done a good job keeping the team competitive, but it hasn't been only him. <BR/><BR/>I think it would be a mistake for the Wings to send Yzerman to GR. He would no longer be in the fold because he would be too busy with the Griffins to be worrying about some other team. He'd also be very offended by it and would probably just go to some other NHL team. I don't think Yzerman is as inexperienced as everyone thinks. According to Devellano, he's been working with the wings management team for over 5 years. He's been giving them advice on players to sign for years. Yzerman was the one that suggested drafting Fedorov. He also suggested the Shanahan trade. It was also Yzerman's idea to bring in all those veterans (Hasek, Robitaille, and Hull) in 2001-2002. Let's not forget that it was Yzerman who was pushing for Lidstrom to be named captain. Yzerman also did his own contract negotiations with Holland in the last few years. He didn't use an agent.<BR/><BR/>I don't see why we have to lose either one. If it came down to it, I think it would be best to have Devellano retire and then give Yzerman, Devellano's spot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-35368115806012518602007-06-05T08:56:00.000-05:002007-06-05T08:56:00.000-05:00I'm not kicking him to the curb, but it sounded li...I'm not kicking him to the curb, but it sounded like you were down playing Hollands role and I disagree, he has been instrumental in our success...2 out of 3 cups he has been GM. He signed the players that has made this team sucessful. Yzerman was critical to the Wings on ice success, and I expect him to be critical to our future success off the ice, but you cannot downplay Hollands role. That's why I said, keep Yzerman in the fold by letting him take the GR job. Outside of Team Canada he has no experience, so it could be a risk handing him an NHL GM job. Then again, it could work. Holland has been a key to the reason this team has remained sucessful over a decade AND a change in the league (salary cap/post lockout). Not only has he built 2 out of 3 stanley cup teams, he's GM'd a team that has been one of the elite for over 10 years. That's mighty impressive and I think you can't kick him to the curb just like you can't kick Yzerman to the curb. If Holland WANTS to leave, fine. But forcing him out would be unfair, given how he has shaped this team. <BR/><BR/>Again, I think it would be 2-3 years before we see Yzerman wanting to be GM of an NHL team and maybe by then Holland will go somewhere else. But, as much as this city and you have love for Yzerman (and I do too, who doesn't right?) we cannot overlook the good job Ken Holland has done. Without him, even though we had Nill, Develano and Bowman, I don't think this team is nearly as successful and Yzerman even knew that. Yzerman has complimened Kenny over the years because he knows Kenny has given him teammates that have bettered his chances of winning more cups or at least being cup competitive. <BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to be combative with you. Now, if Holland starts to make some bad decisions over the next couple of years, we'll talk about this again I'm sure. But I think he's done a fine job working and building a team in the Cap era. He's proven that he can put together a team in two different eras in the league and be successful. Some GM's haven't proven they could win in one. Hollands real strength is his ability to work the numbers. <BR/><BR/>Maybe the Wings can make Yzerman assistan GM, like Kenny was in 97 for the first cup. Then you got both working in the front office and Yzerman learning from one of the best. Then, when Kenny steps aside or whatever, Yzerman bumps up to the GM, like Kenny did in 98. It might take a couple seasons, but I think the learning experience would be worth it. <BR/><BR/>I think we both want the same thing, Yzerman in the fold. I just believe we have to make sure we treat Holland fairly too.WingsFanMiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779299036964062079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-25783808045185413792007-06-05T05:48:00.000-05:002007-06-05T05:48:00.000-05:00Actually Holland has not been instrumental in the ...Actually Holland has not been instrumental in the success. The Wings won their first stanley cup before he even became GM of the Wings. Holland has gotten a lot of help from Bowman, Devellano, Yzerman, and the rest of the staff over the years. The only reason he's even had any success is because of Yzerman. Without Yzerman this team would be going on 52 years without a cup. They owe it to Yzerman to keep him here. It makes more sense to dump Holland than it does to dump Yzerman. Like it or not, Yzerman's been far more valuable to the organization than Holland. Yzerman has earned the right to stay as long as he wants. Don't forget last year Ken Holland was GM of Team Canada and they didn't even win a medal. He had Sydney Crosby and a better selection of players to choose from, yet they couldn't even win a medal. Yzerman's team went undefeated in the tournament. He didn't even have Crosby. After everything Yzerman has done for the Wings I don't think it's fair to kick him to the curb like a piece of trash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-91215585394454201882007-06-04T15:57:00.000-05:002007-06-04T15:57:00.000-05:00Yes, but Holland has been instrumental in the Wing...Yes, but Holland has been instrumental in the Wings success so it's also, IMO, a bit unfair to kick him out just to bring in an unproven Yzerman. If GR isn't right for him, perhaps he'll continue working with Team Canada and then join another NHL team. But kicking Holland out or sending him to GR makes no sense to me. Sending arguably the best GM in the NHL to GR, regardless of who is replacing him, doesn't make much sense. <BR/><BR/>Again, Yzerman could be several years away from actually taking a GM position with an NHL team.WingsFanMiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779299036964062079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-42325835333275680492007-06-04T05:25:00.000-05:002007-06-04T05:25:00.000-05:00Something that has been forgotten is that Jimmy De...Something that has been forgotten is that Jimmy Devellano is getting up there in age. He'll probably retire soon and that will open up another spot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-64121196253930445362007-06-03T19:07:00.000-05:002007-06-03T19:07:00.000-05:00BTW it will also be Yzerman's 25th anniversary wit...BTW it will also be Yzerman's 25th anniversary with the team. Why should he have to leave and not Holland? Yzerman has been far more valuable to the organization than Holland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-77432734168794922042007-06-03T18:53:00.000-05:002007-06-03T18:53:00.000-05:00Not a good idea with the GR GM job. It would be ...Not a good idea with the GR GM job. It would be a waste to use Yzerman like that. He has played with many of the current NHLers and those on the team. He knows about them right now more than he would about the prospects. It's better to keep Yzerman with the wings and maybe send Holland or Nill to GR. Besides if GR ends up becoming an affliate to another team then the wings would lose Yzerman. That would be a terrible idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-76337465218088735822007-06-02T15:57:00.000-05:002007-06-02T15:57:00.000-05:00Agreed, Hakan Andersson is one of the best kept se...Agreed, Hakan Andersson is one of the best kept secrets in the league and around here around town. The guy is a genuine miner.WingsFanMiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779299036964062079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358368530086841162.post-79215001212521399552007-06-02T15:41:00.000-05:002007-06-02T15:41:00.000-05:00A very good article. And a very good idea you've g...A very good article. And a very good idea you've got there with the GR job... a way to utilize Yzerman and still keep Holland, bar none the best GM in the league. Nill will one day take a shot at GMing, as Don Waddell did with the Atlanta Thrasers a few years ago, and he should, but Holland will just groom another successor. Absolutely the key to the Wings' success. Oh yeah, that and Hakan Andersson.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17391883763358612131noreply@blogger.com